It's hot, and hot weather makes my thoughts, and my children's, turn to pools. We have a galvanized kiddie pool in our backyard, which will get flipped over on Tuesday, and I know I am welcome at my aunt's in-ground, lovely, peaceful, private backyard pool anytime I'd like. Unfortunately she lives in Des Peres, and so that's kind of a hike. But on a lazy summer day, hey.
A public pool, though, is fun and useful. Last year I made a phone call to Maplewood to see how I might join. I knew I was a non-resident and it would be pricey ($300 for the summer) but my kids needed swim lessons and I was done paying for the little Turner's Club on an all-year basis to use the pool in the summer--and the swim lessons were lousy. Well, it turned out that my city ward was included in a special resident rate zone and so the whole summer cost me $120. Well spent.
I called this morning, and the super secret resident zone has shrunk and we're not on the guest list. Disappointing but realistic--our ward is nowhere near that suburb and it was good while it lasted. $300 was going to be a big bite, but we're going on vacation, etc.
And then I thought to myself, maybe I should check out the Carondelet pool. The city ceded park land to the YMCA to build a recreation/pool complex. The original plan as I understood it was for the Y to run it for the city. Now, I have a grudge against the Y due to the South City branch striking out with me 3 times--it was just really poorly managed when we were members. Long story. But standing in my kitchen this morning I thought to myself, let's just see. I checked online. Flashy website. No fee information. Call for details. Maplewood has a pdf you can click on and see, plain as day, how much it'll cost you. Hmm. What's the Y hiding?
But I called. "For city residents, it is $69 per month for a family," she told me. I did the math--more than Maplewood last year but less than this year. Seemed fair. She went on: "And that includes the indoor pool complex and the gym, and--"
"What about the outdoor pool?"
"No, that's separate. If you join the Y for $69 per month, it's an additional $120 for the summer for city residents."
$327.
"Well, what if I'm just interested in the outdoor pool--I don't want to join for the rest, just the pool?"
"That's a one-time fee for the summer of $380."
"Three hundred and eighty?" I repeat. "I can join Maplewood's pool for $300, and that's as a non-resident."
"I don't set the fee schedule," she says like a typical corporate employee.
"So you're saying that we gave up public land--park land--to you and you're going to charge city residents $380 to walk in the door."
"If you have a problem with that you can take it up with the city."
I was so furious. I mean, if it were just the YMCA and they had a pool and it was pricey, so be it. But this whole project was sold to us with the idea that city residents would finally have a pool worth going to, that the Y would run it but it would be ours--I mean, it carved out a huge chunk of Carondelet Park to create it in the first place. Ceding public land to private organizations--even ones that are warm and fuzzy seeming like the YMCA, I mean, how can they be bad, they're the Y--sets a dangerous precedent. And now here we are. $380. Who is going to join for that? Or even the $330? I guess there will be folks who join the Y and add on for the pool. Probably plenty of people and I'm standing alone here with my indignation and yeah, used to that.
So I'm thinking I'm going to be calling my aunt in Des Peres. I mean, I don't need swim lessons this year, with Ackerman for Maeve and Sophia knows what she's doing now (thanks to Ackerman). If I can bring lunch three times a month and have my kids swim (and bring a friend for free, frankly) and sit and chat with my aunt? That's worth it.
Or maybe we'll join Maplewood--I mean, I was going to join it for $300 last summer, and I am truly a non-resident. So there you go. My kids love that pool and it's a great facility.
I do have a problem with it, thank you very much Miss YMCA. I don't know if taking it up with the city is going to be useful, I mean, they're the ones who gave you the damned park land as an option in the first place.
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12 comments:
You spent the time writing the blog post. Spend the time calling your alderman/woman and talking to them as well. Don't just blame the Y - take your issue to the source.
Also, the Y allows people to apply for reduced rates. So while the stated rate is X, if you apply for a "scholarship," it could be less. It's too bad the worker didn't explain that to you.
Aaaaagh!!!
Anon--my family won't qualify for a scholarship if it's need based. That isn't the point--I have $380. The point is that the city has once again screwed the residents. And I will be talking with my alderman. I just need to calm down and formulate my words.
I agree, the whole situation is ridiculous. You should definitely contact the Alterman or State rep for your district. Hopefully he/she was in office when the deal went down. If not, they still need to be held accountable for decisions made. They are your advocate!
Maybe SLU has an outdoor pool? Or Forest Park Community College? Or what about a pool at Forest Park? There's got to be SOMETHING!
Down here the pool is ungodly expensive. We'll probably just go to a local lake.
As a city resident, I wonder what demographice the Y is trying to shun.
I'll tell ya, the free city pools aren't too bad. we went down to Marquette Park once last year, and there were no behavior problems like I expected, it wasn't crazy crowded, and if we had a few friends with us, it would be downright fun.
just saying.
(and Cheryl: i don't think they're *trying* to shun anyone. it's just that most of us who are somewhere between poor and make 3x the median income can't afford it (no matter what they want to say) and can't qualify for help.)
(spam word: tramp. think i'm insulted, blogger.)
oh, and as one of the organizers of the "Our Park is Not For Sale" thing: i was for the rec center & the outdoor pool. i thought it was a valid use of park land. that's before i heard that i wouldn't be able to go there even on a daily pass, like i can most other places outside the City. now, i'm pissed, but i know my politicians don't care.
Lisa: 1. city pool: I didn't even know they still opened them anymore! I will definitely take a look at Marquette.
2. I thought it was a great use, too, until I learned all this.
Sounds like you've been making the same phone calls & web searches as I have today! We're in the same boat. We aren't going to have to forego food to pay the pool fee, but it still seems like a huge chunk of money given our income. I'd really like the kids to be able to swim this summer. SO, We're thinking of going for the Y just because we could get access to the facility and other services for not much more than the 300$ for Maplewood. I'm sure building and running a water park is extremely expensive, so maybe the fees are just recouping building costs and paying for the maintenance, but I'd be interested to know how they came up with the fee amounts & whether there is public access to that information. Avery;s mom
Man, I'd at least write a letter to the city. You have a really good point here. (word verification: gyptsel)
Thanks for this rant. I have a long-standing dislike for the way the YMCA works, and I was shocked to learn about how the city handled the situation in Carondolet Park. So unfortunate.
I tried to speak to some "higher ups" at the local Y about pricing (not in STL, at my previous home in central IL). I just couldn't understand how they could charge me $60/mo to use their outdated facility. His response? A lot of their membership money goes toward scholarships for kids so their rates are high. This didn't really make sense to me.
And now here in STL, I'm once again thinking of joining...actually the South City Branch because it is in our neighborhood. Ugh, now I'll think twice. We have a baby on the way, though, and I'd like to take him to swim lessons and some mommy-n-me classes. Did you have issues with either of those at that branch?
Congratulations! No, I didn't have any problem with the mommy and me swim at south city. My problems centered around administrative cluelessness and drama in the childcare room--two women who pitted moms against the other worker, gossiped, claimed there was no room for my child or wouldn' give a reservation (but the other woman would...). drama. And the last straws involved the idiot who was running the pool when I quit. Infuriating.
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